Member Paul Kieniewicz
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Chat from June 4
19:36:52 From Tonya Reed : I’m up the street from you. I also live in West Hollywood, off the Sunset Strip! 💛
19:37:44 From maura Conlon-McIvor : Suzanne….Share your Air bnb link! 🙂
19:38:17 From Tonya Reed : Susan, I will say hello. I’m on Larrabee, off the Sunset Strip.
19:38:40 From Denise Gurney : in view of the fact that travelling is so challenging right now, I would love to offer my home if anyone here wants to come and stay – I live in a glorious place and miss great conversations.
19:39:06 From Alison Wakelin : Where, Denise?
19:39:47 From Magda Gunessee-Verdickt : Can you spell the name of the author?
19:39:48 From Denise Gurney : Pott Shrigley, near Macclesfield. in Cheshire. here’s my email [email protected] xxx
19:40:40 From Alison Wakelin : Thank you
19:42:37 From Scientific and Medical Network : Olga Tokarczuk
19:43:37 From Magda Gunessee-Verdickt : Thank you
19:47:53 From Christof King : Great experience – did you say he was under hypnosis when the telepathy was happening?
20:08:14 From Natalie : Tuvi how do people with information overload, seeing visions that other people can’t see, maybe diagnosed with mental health labels, fit into the diagramme?
20:14:08 From Denise Gurney : This matter of intention is a real problem in scientific enquiry, because if the scientist has the intention to look for a specific result, he will find it with his studies. Better to disprove a theory than look to prove one
20:15:53 From Verena Davis : Sylvia Clare and Abelardo are unmuted.
20:16:45 From Linda Carroll : Thank you so much Tuvi – this is wonderful.
20:17:08 From Jeannet Weurman : Thanks so much, Tuvi! Amazing. 🙂
20:17:20 From Andrew : Thank you Tuvi!
20:17:37 From Jerome B : Thank you Tuvi for a fascinating talk – please can I have a copy of your slides? Sadly I need to go.
20:17:47 From Denise Gurney : Fabulous talk x
20:18:37 From silviakogan : Tuvi, thank you so much for your great presentation,
20:19:21 From Christine Smith : That was great, thanks Tuvi
20:20:03 From Verena Davis : Paul, Tuvi has so much information to impart perhaps he can continue another session?
20:21:13 From Denise Gurney : yes please
20:21:57 From Maria Stoianov : it would be great, please
20:22:42 From maura Conlon-McIvor : Yes for another session with Tuvi, thank you!
20:22:49 From Linda Carroll : Would it be possible to have Tuvi’s great diagrams? It would be great to have a further discussion.
20:23:10 From chrisgaal : I would also like copies of the slides to be available, and more info , especially on those last slides, which had to be rushed through because of time constraints. I missed the 5 levels which Tuvi was starting to explain. Many thanks for a great presentation. Chris
20:23:44 From Jeannet Weurman : Question – Tuvi, can you say a bit about how bad choices originate – is there a choice for ‘bad’ at the highest level / Keter?
20:28:16 From Eilish Friedman : Yes please – I would appreciate the diagrams if possible?
20:29:44 From Linda Carroll : I know about the Prague Golem but forget what was imprinted on his forehead?
20:33:27 From Alison Wakelin : Quantum Physics appears to allow free will back into science in some way
20:34:59 From Judy Hanmer : Thank you Tuvi. This will send me back to the Kabbalah I have studied it in the past and found this very inspiring. Guest arriving, so I have to leave.
20:37:22 From Gerard Kuiken : We have Freedom of Choice. See Big Bell Test Collaboration: Abell\’an, C., {\it et al.},
Challenging localrealism with human choices,” {\it Nature}, 2018, Vol.\ 557, pp.\ 212–216,
preprint November 2018 at arXiv:1805.04431v3.
20:44:11 From Alison Wakelin : That would not be the most loving sort of God I think
20:45:24 From Alison Wakelin : The Kabbalah seems very masculine. I wonder if there is a feminine expression of Judaism emerging today?
20:46:45 From Denise Gurney : I can’t believe that the Holocaust was created from Keter level consciousness.
20:48:50 From Heather Leslie : that made me think of the Chinese farmer story…. sometimes it is hard to really recognize what is bad or good at the time it is happening, because everything is very complex. (The holocaust example is a whole different level of bad, that goes without saying.)
20:49:10 From Alison Wakelin : The Hebrew prophets seemed to say bad things happen as a consequence of how the Hebrew tribes were behaving. More like a karmic sort of thing.
20:49:12 From Linda Carroll : Half of the figures within the Kabbalah are feminine – the balance is down the middle pillar the centre Tipareth where the masc/feminine are reconciled. Also regarding Judaism look to Anne Baring and the exclusion of the Feminine Asherah by the Deuteronomists.
20:49:21 From Jeannet Weurman : Thank you for answering the question, Tuvi – not an easy one!
20:50:38 From Linda Carroll : Also the legends of the Holy Grail are centred on the quest for the lost feminine principle – Sophia.
20:52:13 From maura Conlon-McIvor : Perhaps here we witness the fire of love in each other?
20:54:56 From Linda Carroll : The Cathars, the Rosicrucians and the alchemists were all concerned with The Sacred Marriage of the masculine and feminine principles. Brother Sun, Sister Moon and Mother Earth. Anne Baring believes that we are in chronic need of entering the Stellar phase – following the Lunar Era and the ending – hopefully – of the dire Solar Age.
20:56:34 From Linda Carroll : Following from Carl Sagan’s ‘We are star-stuff’ we may imagine ourselves as stars.
20:58:55 From Leila Yazigi/Jeantelot : Thank you Tuvi. Such interesting notions. Thank you Paul. Love and Light to all.
21:01:14 From Jeannet Weurman : I’m very sorry but I’m going to have to leave you all. Very interesting meeting. Thanks again for your presentation, Tuvi. Very interesting!
21:01:40 From Linda Carroll : Thank you Tuvi – such a great presentation.
21:01:42 From Natalie : thank you everyone and Tuvi
21:02:56 From Eilish Friedman : An excellent presentation Tuvi – thank you so much.
21:02:59 From Denise Gurney : Carolyn Myss discusses how the imbalances in the Sefirot has effects on parts of the body : Anatomy of the Spirit
21:03:02 From silviakogan : A fascinating evening’s discussion so thank you Tuvi and all the participants.
21:04:05 From Verena Davis : In the diagram are the colours important and what is the significance of the “unsolid” circle DAAT/knowledge?
21:06:52 From Christopher Golightly : The slaughter of 6 million shows a complete absence of Good. It shows perhaps all we sparks have too much Free Will. Could be a design fault.
21:08:06 From Ana Ribeiro : thank you Tuvi! fantastic.. yes, to 11 June 🙂
21:08:22 From Linda Carroll : Thank you Tuvi – such a stimulating conversation.
21:08:29 From Maria Stoianov : Thank you so much Tuvi! It was brilliant!!!
21:08:39 From Andrew : Thank you so much Tuvi!
21:08:44 From Linda Carroll : Thank you Paul and good evening to everyone.
21:08:58 From alan : Thank you, everyone
21:09:04 From Verena Davis : The Holocaust was one deep and terrible aspect of the Second World War which initiated many changes.
21:09:05 From Christof King : Thanks – a very interesting evening!
21:09:06 From Andrew : Thank you Paul, great idea to ask Tuvi to return, much richness
21:09:19 From valeriewade : It was fantastic! can next week be taped as I am travelling?> Please…..
21:10:23 From marilyn : Thanks Tuvi and everyone.
21:10:29 From Anna : Wonderful, thank you Tuvi, it’s opened a fabulous discussion..
21:11:08 From Heather Leslie : Beautiful way to spend this evening. I have the will and intention to see you June 11th. 🙂
21:11:55 From maura Conlon-McIvor : Thank you.
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NOTES
Source: “Secret book of John”, Translation and commentary: Stevan Davies
A Gnostic creation myth
1. Observation of the world – its laws are not what a beneficent deity would have constructed. Something went wrong.
2. It’s not all the fault of humans. They don’t seem to be wired correctly in the first place.
3. The fault is in the system where we find ourselves. We may be more the victims rather than the cause. What is our task then? (BIG QUESTION).
Kabballah, Gnosticism, Cathars all begin with a transcendent deity. Indescribable, beyond imagining, loving, – What existed before the Big Bang – PLEROMA – pure consciousness
PLEROMA formed an image, conception of itself – Virgin Spirit – Divine Feminine.
Foreknowledge – Life
Truth – Incorruptibility
Formed by reflection
Father looked at Barbelo, in a spark conceived the only begotten (Christ)
12 aeons with names such as:
Mind – Will
Word – Goodness
Grace – Truth
13thaeon – Sophia (Wisdom)
Pleroma is complete, perfect, balanced, each power works in consort with its partner
The universe in its early stages
Sophia – conceived a thought. Wanted to create without the participation of her partner.
Creation – formless, an abortion. Face of a lion, lightning from the eyes.
Yaldabaoth
Her light went into it.
She is expelled from the Pleroma along with Yaldabaoth
1. He knows nothing of the Pleroma
2. Has a creative light
3. Thinks he is the only god.
4. Without an inspired plan, he creates the cosmos. Planets, and then Man
Sophia repents – is received below the 13thaeon. But cannot return to the Pleroma
Her light ends up in human beings. Yaldabaoth was tricked into breathing life into Adam and Sophia’s light ended up there. Our task is to make that light conscious, and to release it – so that the Pleroma can be restored. We have help – release it
Origin of Humanity
The Powers see the image of Man (androgynous) in the waters. Man was conceived by Barbelo. They decided to make a form in that image. Installing qualities that they saw, or thought they saw. They build his body – the best they can. Adam is lifeless.
Sophia misses her light. She wants it back. So she turns to the father/mother for help. The Father/Mother sends the Five Lights. The Five Lights whisper to Yaldabaoth, blow some of your spirit into Adam. Adam starts to glow, he is filled with Sophia’s light. The powers know that Adam is more powerful than they and cast him to the bottom of the world.
Father/Mother, sorrowing for the loss of Sophia’s light, sends a spirit to help man. Zoe (Epinoia). She teaches Adam how he descended to the world, and of the way of ascent. Epinoia was hidden in Adam so the rulers couldn’t find her.
Rulers took Adam and placed him in Paradise. Tree of Knowledge (of good and evil) is the tree of Epinoia. Yaldabaoth made Adam unconscious, forgetful, hoping to steal his light. He looked for Epinoia, but couldn’t find her. Finally he separated Eve out of Adam, modeled after Epinoia. Adam saw the light-filled Epinoia, and woke up. That light is his insight, that guides him to his home.
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Letter 11/4/1967
Andrew Glazewski – On the Angelic Hierarchies
Andrew discusses the hierarchies of angels, the vision of angels with super sensible-vision, angelic languages and communication, the role of the archangel Michael and meditation.
I just wrote to B— , from whom I got a letter, and suddenly realised more explicitly, so to speak, that on the Earthly globe there are all sorts of points. Points of power, mercy, love, understanding, intellectual grasping, expansion etc…You know what I mean. Talland Bay, where I took B—- is for me a point of peace, soothing serenity, calm, the same as the Scillies are. Attingham has a point for intellectual insight and expansion of it. At Glastonbury there is something of an organising spirit. And so we can go on and on. These points on the Earthly organism are similar to the Chinese acupuncture points in the human body. A complete analogy. And further, where poweris concerned, there are different sorts of power, just like the separate angelic choirs of power. There are millions of them and each one is different, and represents different kinds here on this plane of our physical existence. B— who is so sensitive to power, understands this perfectly. What we must do, is to discriminate the powers, organise them in one great organic whole, something like a chessboard for a battle. Ordre de bataille so to speak. A new task for us, with the help of the great Order of Powers on the angelic level.
I already gave you the respective dispositions to those great entities, for organising and correlating these points or places. Well, I better tell you here a bit more about those high beings.
At the top of the hierarchy there are
Seraphims
Cherubs
Thrones
Then three middle ones
Virtues
Dominations
Powers
And finally the lowest three choirs
Principalities
Archangels
Angels
Nine altogether. In each of these choirs there are millions and millions of them, each one different from the other, differing from one another like unique species found on this physical plane. So, each Seraphim is a species unto himself, but there are innumerable millions of them (of their species), all organised into higher and lower, but all in the range of Seraphim. These are fires, glowing with love and their function is loving with a mounting direction toward God’s love, going higher and higher into infinity with their love. These represent the millions of kinds of love which exist in Creation, but mind you, only natural love, not supernatural. (I wrote you before about the distinction, for supernatural is the love of God as such — an uncreated being). On this natural love (or on their fire), modulating their natural love, is a beam of God’s love, so that their love sparkles with fantastic displays, not so much of colour as of qualities implying movement in a harmonious way, a glow or shape so to speak with a colouring of light. But it is a different kind of light from the one we know. Something beyond any explanation, unless you have experienced it. These beings of a fiery nature are of the highest order, and in some way have within themselves, what the lower ones have, though perhaps not so explicitly. This is because their nature is fiery, so they express themselves first with fire, whereas the Cherubs, the next order, express their nature with wisdom, understanding and intellectual comprehending.
Now these again, in their natural wisdom, understanding, intelligence and power of penetration, also acquire a new quality through the Grace of God. This time it is not fire, but the internal grasping in their nature, which displays a new sparkling display, a sort of shape, of moulding, or modulation. Very hard to describe. Again they are innumerable in number and each of a different species. A totally different world from the Fires. They in their turn represent in a sublime way the different kinds of wisdom-understanding, and all intellectual kinds of grasping. They are a sort of archetype of understanding, like the Fires were archetypes of love. The Cherubs, because they are of a lower grade, have not a fiery nature; they lack this. However, the Fires have the understandings of the lower ones in a certain way. I should say of a higher order than the Cherubs.
Then come the Thrones. Their nature is in the ease of their access to Godhood. They are as it were the “sedillas” of God. God sits in them in a way. A totally different world again, of these incredibly powerful beings, beings of possession. They represent the different kinds of possibilities of possession, but in relation to God. Now this choir is the transitional stage to the middle three choirs. From possession one passes to administration, whereby the Virtues, Dominations and Powers are the administrative group. The organisers.
The Virtues represent the strength of God, any strength and its derivative, as in the potency, of distributing in firmness, and this firmness is the nature of the Dominations. They are the planning rulers, while the Powers are the executive officers of the planning department. Each of these choirs is obviously a different world in itself, each innumerable, each containing millions of species, each magnificent, possessing respective proportions, enabling them to represent strength, planning capacity, and actual execution of plans and organising the lower strata of Creation. As mentioned above, to those has been given the disposition through the planning department, in fullness of strength of the Virtues, but with the mildness of possessing, understanding, wisdom and the Love of God.
Do you follow now how the orders come down from above to this Earthly plane of the physical world?
Now in each of these choirs there are higher and lower spirits, subordinated as well as concentrated, that is harmoniously related into a set of new proportions whereby all the proportions of each individual is a further development of the other. A magnificent correlation and totality in all this. It is all so to speak musical in shape and movement, constantly displaying the changes of the sets of proportions, and so acquiring a new pattern, but still being recognized as the same species. A most magnificent sight, if it can be called so, for it is not only a sight but an accumulation of “sensations” through millions of different senses, which are not known in this world. Actually, my vision is not the same as yours, for we see things through our personality, and these are totally different in each of us. So, if by some miracle you could see via my personality, you would see a totally different world than you see now. Each of us, each animal etc. sees things differently, so there are millions of visions. Now in the Kingdom, you suddenly realise that through a certain kind of archetypal potency in you, you can switch from one kind of seeing to another, and then of course there is no end to it, and no end of admiration, contemplation. It may be compared to a kaleidoscopic display of perceptions in all senses. To this natural display you have to add the Grace of God, and then and only then the picture is total, and assumes new, fantastic, sparkling qualities. Follow?
At the bottom of the angelic scale there are three others yet, Principalities, Archangels and Angels. The Principalities are the actual rulers of places, points of interest of every kind, the local stewards that execute orders given from above. The Archangels of which seven are the highest ones, have different functions. Michael is the fighter, Raphael is the healer, Azrael is the angel of death, Gabriel delivers the highest messages and so forth. The angels of the lowest choir are the caretakers so to speak. Still absolutely magnificent beings, so beautiful that nothing can be compared to them.
Now the hierarchy is so arranged that a higher one has in its root the lower prerogatives, though in a different way. But the lower ones do not have the higher’s, only a vestige of it, in the sense that by the power of God the lower could be exalted. As a matter of fact, it is through Grace. But as the Grace is received through the nature of the recipient, say through his pattern as such, a lower nature cannot express fire as a Seraphim , for his nature is not fit to accept it in the fiery way. However, through Grace, the lowest angel can speak immediately to a higher one or to the highest, thanks to his nature being raised to participation of Godhood as such (super-natural). In the natural order however, they cannot speak so, for each choir speaks a totally different language. They must go “through the usual channels”, that is from one choir to another until it reaches the top choir. May I say that they are of “different nationalities”. You know what I mean. Angelic speech is different from ours though I must say, it has a similarity to our speech. It is communication through the change of sets of proportions, fitting with the other angel. They do communicate but they do not speak as we do; it is the meaning that is impressed into the other being, into the other angel, as if one could play a different music into the nature of the other. It is all sets of proportions. Some sort of archetypal ones, but still different, for they have their own individuality in expression of meaning. It is so difficult to explain this in our physical terms.
The angelic world represents a whole branch of knowledge, a wonderful one. And mind you, for each action of ours, say for speech, there is a specific angel who takes care of it. Apply to him if you want to be successful and you shall be.
I am sorry, I have given you a whole treatise, a small part of Angelology but I think it will not bore you too much. And after all it may be useful to you in the future. How we, each of us can fit into different choirs of angels, this is a different branch of knowledge and I cannot describe it here. If you want it, do let me know.
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Individuation for SMN 26/3/21
Notes from Anne Baring
The word individuation describes the process of psychic or soul growth. It is essentially about becoming whole – uniting the two aspects of the psyche: the conscious aspect that is known with the unconscious aspect which is unknown to begin with. Essentially, it is about reconnecting our conscious mind with our neglected soul.
It describes the changing relationship between the ego or the part of the psyche that is focussed on survival in the world – ‘the Spirit of the Times’– and the unknown part of the psyche that Jung called the Self or greater consciousness within the collective unconscious – ‘the Spirit of the Depths.’
It is also about becoming aware of and integrating the lost instinctive aspect of the psyche – the two-million-year-old man or woman within us. Reconnecting with Nature that we were once connected with. We have become cut off from instinct, from the unconscious, from Nature. Therefore, we are liable to become possessed and driven by the split-off instinct as many situations in the world today illustrate.
The Self corresponds to what the Upanishads call the Atman or Spirit within the totality of the psyche or soul or to the Spirit or Holy Spirit in Christianity. There are many images of the Self which may appear in dreams. (my dream of the cosmic woman).
This process cannot be brought about by will power or conscious effort. It happens naturally and involuntarily or can be precipitated by a powerful life experience. It may be reflected in dreams over a long period of time.
The acorn contains the future unfolding pattern of the oak. The psyche contains the greater potential that may be unknown or unrecognized at the beginning of life but may slowly emerge and develop over the course of it. The beginning of life is about establishing the ego’s relationship with the world, growing up, the life experiences of the young adult. A strong ego is essential for this. But later on, the ego needs to create a relationship with the Self if the true creative potential of the psyche is to be realised.
Sometimes a wound to the heartmay activate the process of individuation; sometimes an early shamanic experience or shock or an experience of severe depression or a handicap like dyslexia. The life of a creative genius like Mozart takes a different form as the talent that has to be nurtured creates the path of individuation, which often involves great suffering, as with Beethoven. Fairy Tales give many examples of how the hero or heroine has to accomplish some impossible task and is helped by an animal or a bird or an old woman living in the forest.
The ego’s encounter with the Unconscious or greater dimension of being can begin with the experience of having reached a dead end. Nothing can help. The darkness is absolute and unremitting. Often experienced as depression, referred to in Alchemy as the Nigredo – ‘a blackness blacker than black’. Depression can sometimes be the call of the deeper aspects of the soul for recognition and relationship with the conscious ego.
Alchemy is an ancient path of Individuation and Initiationdescending from Egypt. It describes three stages of soul-growth:
1. The Nigredo – the encounter of the ego with the unconscious
2. The Albedo or stage of the dawning of the light, the discovery of deeper meaning or a different path through life. Responding to the call of the Self.
3. The Rubedo or the dawning of enlightenment
The encounter with the Shadowor unknown aspects of the psyche – both positive and negative. Often shows in dreams as living in a house with unexplored rooms symbolising the unexplored, unconscious aspect of the psyche.
Personal Shadow– qualities and gifts that may have been repressed through parental or educational experience. Deeply imprinted beliefs and habits of behaviour that may have crippled the unfolding of the soul and its creative life. Anger, fear, hatred, jealousy arising from life experiences that have injured the soul. Example: loss of one’s mother in childhood: rage, guilt, deep despair.
Collective Shadowone example of the collective shadow is the inability of an extraverted culture to pay any attention to the inner world of the psyche or even to recognise its existence.
A current example of the collective shadow is the failure of the EU to give its people early access to vaccinations, thereby increasing the number of deaths that its people will experience.
The will to power of the primitive aspect of the shadow predominates over common sense and compassion. The situation requires the sacrifice of the will to power.
Integrating the contra-sexual aspect of the psyche: the animus and the anima. This is part of the individuation process. A woman needs to integrate aspects of the male psyche – the power to act in the world without being controlled by a negative masculinity which derides and diminishes her feminine nature.
Similarly, a man needs to integrate aspects of the feminine that he may have looked down on and considered inferior to his nature, yet are essential for his balance and completion.
Jung knew that we need a radically different image of God: one that did not split nature and matter from spirit. “It was only quite late that we realized or are beginning to realize that God is Reality itself and therefore — last but not least — man.” p. 258 The Dream of the Cosmos.
p. 427 – God has become pot-bound, stuck in the image of Him we have created.
p. 256 – Jung’s concept of the process of individuation was to expand the field of our awareness so that we are able to relate to the complex reality of the deeper dimension of the soul. Working to create a relationship with this mysterious entity over many years is like an extended mediation which connects us not only to the life of nature but to the inner life or soul of the Cosmos. Ultimately, this is a sacred marriage of the two aspects of the psyche.
p. 257 In Jung’s Seven Sermons to the Dead, the Gnostic teacher Basilides describes the primary ground of being as the Pleroma, the root of all, present within all yet beyond all, a nameless, boundless, indefinable and totally transcendent dimension of reality which nevertheless permeates our world in the way that sunlight permeates air.”
